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From Atrios. Move On defending itself against McCain:

"Move On never opposed military action after 9/11"
Here's the new new left. politically practical intellectually shallow.

by seth edenbaum on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 11:23:43 AM EST
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It's intellectually shallow to point out that Move On did not, in fact, oppose military action after 9/11?
So it would be intellectually deep to maintain a fiction in which they did?
Weird.

by Atrios on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 12:44:41 PM EST
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No, it was and is intellectually shallow to defend the invasion of Afghanistan. Popularity aside, the invasion was a mistake.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with Duncan Black. I understand why the US invaded Afghanistan. I don't think it's intellectually defensible, but it was a human response. Still the fact is Atrios was not able to read what I wrote.
The moment those planes hit the towers Al Qaeda was at it's lowest point. How many friends did bin Laden have on Sept 12th? And how many friends did we have, or could we have had if we'd played the hand as grown-ups?
But there are no grown-ups.

update: Lets be clear that the "friendship" discussed above is political. A wise leader could have argued that the people should not be allowed their revenge. Letters of condolence are equity. Politics is PR. Imagine how 9-11 could have been manipulated to our advantage on the world stage if we had simply stood still and done nothing but collect the offers of help and support and money and good will. Al Qaeda wouldn't have lasted a month. bin Laden alive or dead would have nothing. Imagine how many lives could have been saved by such cold calculating logic?
I'm not a pacifist I'm a left wing cynic.
People are stupid.