Thursday, July 28, 2011

Bertram:"The epistemic environment that made the Utøya attacks possible"

My comment, posted in response to a few comments on Christian Zionism with opinions and no data.
Read it before you delete it Chris.

Breivik: “If the NSDAP had been isolationistic instead of imperialistic(expansionist) and just deported the Jews (to a liberated and Muslim free Zion) instead of massacring them...”

[a general response to Bertram] CB: “I didn’t say that those elements of the left were part of the spectrum, I said that they gave it “cover, credibility and respectability."

Like “liberal Zionists” give credibility to racialist ideology.
Arguments concerning the irrationalism of others. DD says that most opponents of abortion don't think abortion is murder, even if they claim it is. He thinks that should end the argument but it won't, any more than explaining the logical contradictions of liberal Zionism will end the argument for Bertram and those like him.

Politics is not reason. Dworkin makes the same argument about abortion, without the naive assumptions.

The Economist
Every Friday and often after school on other days, Israeli soldiers fire tear-gas and sonic bombs at the Palestinian children as they approach a spring. It sits in a valley that separates Nabi Saleh, an Arab village of 500 people half an hour’s drive north of Jerusalem, from Halamish, a religious Jewish settlement. On most nights jeeps roll through the village; over the past 18 months the Israeli army has detained 32 of its children, some as young as eleven. Many have been taken from their beds, kept in pre-trial detention for months, and brought to court in shackles, there to be convicted of stone-throwing.

For some of Halamish’s settlers, irritated by the tear-gas that wafts into their living rooms from across the hill, this is not harsh enough. “The soldiers don’t maim enough Palestinians,” complains Iran Segal.
“I didn’t say that those elements of the left were part of the spectrum, I said that they gave it “cover, credibility and respectability."

Bertram isn't a racist he's a coward, and a fucking idiot.

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